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THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION | LINDA TRIPP'S TAPES

Excerpts Show an Intern Under the Spell of Older 'Friend'

October 03, 1998

These are excerpts from about 20 hours of tapes Pentagon employee Linda Tripp secretly recorded during her conversations with former White House intern Monica S. Lewinsky during a period of several months.

The Paula Corbin Jones Affidavit

Tripp: Can I ask you something?

Lewinsky: Yeah.

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Tripp: Are you bound and determined to do what you plan to do?

Lewinsky: Uh-huh.

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Tripp: . . . You are, you are positive in your heart that you want to do that? I mean . . .

Lewinsky: Uh-huh.

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Tripp: I'm only saying--I'm only saying that in case you should change your mind.

Lewinsky: No. I-I-I-first of all, for fear of my life.

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Tripp: Yeah.

Lewinsky: I would not. For fear of my life, I would not--I would not cross these--these people for fear of my life, No. 1.

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Tripp: That's a terrible thing.

Lewinsky: But, No. 2, I--some people would see if differently. I look at that woman with such loathe and disgust.

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Tripp: I know.

Lewinsky: I would--there is nothing I would do to help her. And saying it would just help her.

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Tripp: But--OK. I'm not even concerned with her right now. I'm concerned with us.

Lewinsky: Right, I . . .

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Tripp: So . . .

Lewinsky: What--you know, I don't know how you feel about it . . .

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Tripp: She's out of this, in my opinion.

Lewinsky: Well, yeah and no. But I mean, it's like, you know, I am saying, you know, I am saying as far as I'm concerned, nothing ever happened.

'He Forgot Who I Was'

Lewinsky: . . . I just kind of feel like--I feel really cheated, you know. . . . And I said I feel like I'm moving to New York and--because I have to, but it's not what I would be doing by choice. . . .

. . . She [Lewinsky's mother] said, "Monica, if you went back there, let alone that all these people are nasty and they're venomous." She goes, "You would just--be just as miserable as you are now." You know, she was like, "He would never see you enough. It would never be enough."

. . . And there is some truth to that because . . . I was upset, when I worked there, about him. . . .

I was constantly, constantly thinking he forgot who I was. . . .

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Tripp: Well, how could he have forgotten who you were when you were seeing him?

Lewinsky: . . . I was crazy, Linda. I mean, it seems to me that it was like if I didn't see him, then he forgot who I was. . . .

And if he didn't call, he forgot who I was. . . .

And I really--I really felt like, oh, there's a different girl every day, and he was gonna forget. You know, I mean, when this first happened, I mean, I said to my mom, I said, "Well, I think he just fooled around with me because his girlfriend was probably furloughed."

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Tripp: You idiot.

Lewinsky: I'm not kidding you. That's what I thought.

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Tripp: Oh, my God. Monica . . .

Lewinsky: So, I don't know. It's just--you know, and she's right. She's right. It would be--I mean, I would get to see him more. I think I'd have more time with him.

'I Hate Him for It'

Tripp: . . . The whole thing is--is so just fundamentally unfair.

Lewinsky: Yep.

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Tripp: I mean--I don't know. I-I-I-hate him for it, but on the other hand, I understand why he would have felt awkward. But I think he owes you that truth. I really do. . . . You know, you're the type of person who would accept that, you know, if he were frank with you.

Lewinsky: . . . I think--I think that--and I think you've said this, too, but I think part of him wanted to bring me back because he promised me, he felt bad about what happened. But I think a big part of him didn't.

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Tripp: . . . I think he has a problem. And I think he knows he has a problem. And I think he knows that faced with temptation, with a willing partner that he finds sexy, he would not be able to mend his ways. And whether or not he's mending his ways on the road or any other place, I believe him when he says he wants to behave to a certain extent because . . .

Lewinsky: I think he talked himself out of even being attracted to me. I really do.

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Tripp: Really?

Lewinsky: Uh--there is just like nothing there. I mean, it's just weird, because there was something there last month, but there was nothing there the other night. . . .

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Tripp: It--it's unfair. To everybody. I mean, it's just stupid. If it had been me, I would have--I would have begged you not to go for that 60-second visit.

Lewinsky: Because I didn't know it was gonna be 60 seconds.

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Tripp: Yeah, true.

Lewinsky: You know? I--I thought it would be 15 minutes. So all right. I'm going to bed. . . .

I don't see how like, you know I don't feel like anybody is saying, "Gee you know I am really sorry this happened. I am really sorry. You got really [redacted] over, and it's someone's fault."

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Tripp: Well maybe he feels maybe he has made himself feel that the fact that his people got you a job at the Pentagon . . .

Lewinsky: Huh.

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Tripp: Means that you were taken care of, kind of thing.

Lewinsky: I, I . . .

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Tripp: I mean it was more money, right?

Lewinsky: Um, a little bit, but not much. Part of it was . . .

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Tripp: But you didn't--the good thing is you didn't have to take a loss.

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