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The 'delegitimization' of Israel movement; reversals of 9th Circuit rulings; tabloids and the 1st Amendment

July 29, 2011

Taking a stand on Israel

Re " 'Delegitimization' is just a distraction," Opinion, July 17

M.J. Rosenberg writes: "Rather than seeking Israel's elimination, the Palestinians … are seeking establishment of a state alongside Israel."

Of the inconvenient truths Rosenberg avoids, none undermines his point more than the actual opinions of Palestinians, as revealed by a survey conducted by pollster Stanley Greenberg.

That poll found that only 34% of Palestinians accept the two-state solution; 66% believe Palestinians should start with a two-state solution and then move toward making it one Palestinian state; and 72% supported efforts to deny the thousands of years of Jewish connection to Jerusalem. Ominously, 73% agreed with Hamas charter, which calls for the indiscriminate killing of Jews.

If Rosenberg wants to maintain his credibility, he is going to have to do some serious tinkering with his narrative, or at least convince the Palestinians they need to keep their true beliefs to themselves.

David Feifel

La Jolla

Suggesting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is simply over settlements is disingenuous. There is not yet a Palestinian state because Arab leaders refuse to publicly acknowledge that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish, democratic state. This is delegitimization at its core. And instead of entering into direct peace talks with Israel, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has sought a unity government with Hamas.

Meanwhile, delegitimizing Israel is taking increasingly ominous forms. The "boycott, divestment and sanctions" movement seeks to attack Israel economically and deny scholars and artists exchanges with colleagues.

President Obama and Congress agree that Palestinian unilateralism is another attempt to question Israel's legitimacy. A growing list of countries concur: A unilateral Palestinian declaration would set back efforts to achieve peace and security for Palestinians and Israelis.

Clifford Goldstein

Santa Monica

The writer is Los Angeles region president of the American Jewish Committee.

Occupation is just a distraction to keep the Arab Middle East from looking at the causes of the very real existential problems they face. Occupation was not an issue when Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip. It only became an issue after the Six-Day War in 1967.

The real issue is the very existence of Israel. The Palestine Liberation Organization was founded in 1964, three years before Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and its goal was wiping out Israel. In spite of what Rosenberg claims about the PLO recognizing Israel, it never officially changed its charter.

Perhaps when Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah all decide that a Jewish state has the right to exist in peace, peace can be achieved and the occupation can end.

Emanuel R. Baker

Los Angeles

The 9th Circuit's reversal record

Re "9th Circuit reversed again," July 18

It comes as no surprise that the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals suffered another year of bad legal decisions. It's to the point now that whenever it makes a contentious ruling, we can pretty much ignore it. The court's arrogance is captured by Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who tries to justify his dismal record of reversals as a compliment.

UC Irvine law school Dean Erwin Chemerinsky clears it all up by saying reversal rates don't mean the Supreme Court is right, just that it has the last word. Following that lawyerly logic, I guess there is no right or wrong, just who has the last word.

John Corina


It was staggeringly misleading to open the story about the 9th Circuit by saying "the Supreme Court overturned the majority" of its decisions.

The 9th Circuit decides about 5,000 cases annually, so the 26 cases the Supreme Court chose to review represent about one-half of 1% of its rulings, and the 19 reversals represent about one-third of 1%.

I suppose "Supreme Court leaves 99.6% of 9th Circuit decisions untouched" does not make for a catchy headline, but that number should have been mentioned in the story.

Howard Posner

Los Angeles

Waging war on the tabloids

Re "Tabloids don't deserve the 1st," Opinion, July 19

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro's contention that "the judicial system is too quick to bow before the 1st Amendment" fails to address any bright line between tabloids and other forms of journalism.

Not every tabloid reporter hacks the voice mail of murdered teenagers, and not all New York Times reporters adhere to the highest principles of their calling.

People who hold sacrosanct the free flow of ideas should view with alarm governments that, in the name of upholding a pure and perfect view of journalism, threaten to enforce tighter controls over that press. This is happening in Britain now and will happen soon in the U.S. if Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) holds hearings.

I am no fan of Fox News or any Rupert Murdoch holding, but once we start shutting them down, who knows where we will stop.

Joan Walston

Santa Monica

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