ZB: This is a very personal story. I wrote it with my brother [Adam], and like 'Garden State,' it’s something that I feel passionately about. It's been funny to hear that people think this is some kind of money-grab. It would be the worst get-rich-quick scheme ever. If I wanted to make a lot of money I would have reteamed with my friend Bill Lawrence (creator of 'Scrubs') for a new TV show. Or written a huge romantic comedy. That's not what this movie is.
MN: You mention that some people thought you were in this for the money. Were you surprised by the degree of backlash? I was reading some blog comments earlier, and there was some pretty harsh talk about this being crowdfunding on steroids and suggesting you might be abusing the system.
ZB: There’s been some deliciously yummy vitriol. I guess I was a little naive about this coming in. I didn't think that people would care that much about a little movie, which I was wrong about. But I can’t say I totally get it. It's not like I've taken over Kickstarter. It's not like when you go to the home page there's a big picture of me smiling at you; you have to click through past a lot of other worthy projects to find it. It’s not like I lobbied Congress to pass a tax to finance my movie. It’s just sitting there in a corner of the site. If you want to wave at it and back it as you’re passing by, great. If not, you can just move along and that’s fine too.
MN: Some of the critics have made a more subtle argument -- that by putting your film on Kickstarter you're diverting money away from films by lesser-known directors. What's your response to that?
ZB: I have something every detractor doesn’t have: the analytics. Most of the backers of my film aren’t people on Kickstarter who had $10 and were deciding where to give it, and then gave it to me instead of someone else. They came to Kickstarter because of me, because of this project. They wouldn’t have been there otherwise. In fact, a lot of people who didn't know about Kickstarter came and wound up giving money to a lot of other projects too. So for people to say, 'That’s ... up; you’re stealing money from documentaries' is just not a sensible argument.
MN: Part of the reason I think this discussion has become so charged is because people really see in this a new model, one where fans are almost as important in getting a movie made as the professionals. Do you think that's where this is headed? Or is that a bit of digital utopianism?
ZB: That's the big question. No one knows exactly how it will turn out. But I do think one day people will be able to get equity in a project like this. They’ll be able to invest in a movie like a stock. It's not legal yet. But there are some very smart people, people a lot smarter than me, figuring out the legalities. And anyone watching this knows that's where it's going.
MN: Would you have gone that route if you could?
ZB: Absolutely. I want to involve fans as much as I can. We’re giving people T-shirts and script pages and parts in the movie. That’s what fans want. I want to give them more, but it's not legal yet. I'll give them whatever I can in exchange for their support.
MN: Some of the backlash I think has been about your celebrity. Their objection is to the idea that a guy who had a hit like 'Scrubs' or starred in 'Oz: The Great and Powerful' should be on Kickstarter.
ZB: I think that's a misconception about who I am. I make my own stuff. I'm not the person who people are banging down their door to be in their movie. I've always done my own indie thing. I think 'Oz' was the first big Hollywood movie I made. This is a labor of love. I wouldn’t spend the next year and a half of my life on it if that wasn’t the case.
MN: Let’s talk a little about the film. What are some details you could offer. What’s it about thematically?
ZB: It’s about a struggling man, a guy in his 30’s. He and his wife are seeing their dreams slip away. They're getting by, but barely. And the man, the character I'm going to play, looks at his kids [5 and 12] and when he realizes he can't afford private school anymore, he says ‘I’m going to try to teach them.’ So he decides to homeschool them. He’s not an academic by any stretch of the imagination. And he can’t teach them about academic things. But he tries to teach them about life and what he knows as a 35-year-old man who’s been around for a little while.
MN: How much will it feel like ‘Garden State'? Will it have a similar emo tone?
ZB: “I think if you like ‘Garden State’ or ‘Scrubs,’ if you like what I do, you ‘ll really like this. Also, the 'Garden State' soundtrack was a huge success, and here will be a ton of killer music on this soundtrack.