Tony Goldwyn as President Fitzgerald Grant in a scene from "Scandal." (ABC )
NEW YORK -- Getting summoned into a room with President Fitzgerald Grant is an order the more than 8 million viewers of "Scandal" would kill for -- Huck-style, if needed.
In this case, reality set in pretty quick.
"Care for some almonds? Or maybe chocolate-covered blueberries?" Tony Goldwyn, in a suede suit jacket and jeans (no Eisenhower pin or presidential tie in sight), asks late Monday night in a SoHo production studio.
Goldwyn, of course, portrays the head of state in Shonda Rhimes' hit ABC series "Scandal." He is in town for the network's upfront presentation scheduled Tuesday afternoon in New York -- where his show will undoubtedly be showered with praise for causing chaos on Twitter.
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The 53-year-old actor until now was probably best known for being the dude that had Sam Wheat killed in 1990's "Ghost" -- because, gosh, that was such a heinous act! While he went on to play equally memorable roles, like an interior designer with HIV on "Designing Women, and took up directing, these days he's best known as the unhappily married president (a.k.a. "Fitz"), whose affair with fixer Olivia Pope (Kerry Washington) weirdly generates swoons.
In anticipation of the show's second season finale, which airs Thursday, we spoke to Goldwyn about what can be expected, remedies for dealing with the show's summer hiatus, and -- because we still can't let it go -- his involvement in having Sam Wheat killed.
Things got handled.
Look, I know you have to relive this a lot, but really: How could you have even considered putting Sam Wheat in a harmful situation? Do you know how long I've loathed you?
I was struggling! And I had to earn a living and I was like, 'OK, I guess I'll be the guy who has him killed ...'
Shameful. I took a friend to a screening recently, and I was really mad because she laughed when the demons get you. And I was like, "Do not disrespect this movie!"
The effects look sort of ridiculous compared to now.
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It's a classic! Do you remember shooting that scene? Was it hard not to laugh?
The director had these dancers on roller skates and leotards acting like the demons and they kind of dragged me back -- but they didn't film that, it was just for reference. So it was just me alone, pretending I'm being attacked, reenacting how it felt when those people on roller skates were surrounding me.
But I also -- Wait, do you know who Elvis Costello is? Please tell me you do.
You do realize I'm not 4, right?
It's just hard to understand how you consider this a movie of your time. But, so, yeah, the director also told me to be like Elvis Costello -- he sort of does that weird, spastic thing when he performs. So I channeled my inner Elvis Costello.
You direct. You've even directed an episode of "Scandal." Have you had to tell someone to channel their inner Elvis Costello?
I don't give musical references for that reason.
Last time I watched it, was five or six years ago. My kids and mother-in-law were watching it. I sat there watching it and thought, "This was a really good movie." I really like it.
Hello, ditto! Which leads me to "Scandal." I really did not want to watch "Scandal" because my loyalty lies with Sam Wheat. But I couldn't stay away.
Good. And let me tell you, I just saw this season's finale.
Forget about it.
Forget about it.
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Stop acting like Cyrus! Tell me!
It's freaking crazy. Here's how crazy it is: I read the script, I shot it -- the whole time I was watching it, I was screaming like a little [almost rhymes with Fitz]. The whole cast watched it together with Shonda. I was so shocked by the things that happened even though I knew they were going to happen. The show is so complicated that you sort of forget exactly what happens, and also, Shonda reconstructs the show in the cutting room; she makes editorial decisions, so it's almost like rewriting. [Show producer] Tom Verica directed the episode, and he did an amazing job. It was as if I had no idea what was happening. It was really good.
That's all you're going to tell me? What should the hashtag be for Thursday's episode?
That's a tough one! I can't think of one. I will say the episode will redefine "cliffhanger." It's incredibly satisfying; it gives you everything you want and then defies your expectations and shocks you.
Last week, everyone went crazy when Billy Chambers (Matt Letscher) was outed as the mole.
We often don't get the scripts until the day before shooting because they work so hard on them. So the first time we typically see the scripts is at our table reads, when we all read it out loud together. When Matt Letscher came into the room, we were all like "WHATTTTTTTTT?" ... We were just amazed.
Here's another thing I would say, as shocking as the Billy Chambers reveal was, there's an even bigger shocking reveal in the finale. That's all I will say. It's so far beyond who is the mole. I really wish I could tell you.